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that there are protocols he kept saying that the fbi has for why they launch an investigation, why they would continue it and whether or not they share that information with the white house. i think that really pushes it into the realm of the investigation that continues, brian. >> andrea, there couldn't be more going on right now. there was talk of fiscal cliff. we have no cia director. benghazi's still around, the israelis took out the head of hamas today. then john mccain said if the president puts up his u.n. ambassador, susan rice, to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state she will be blocked, they'll do everything in their power that's where the president today almost conjuring the wording of aaron sorkin from the movie "american president" as will be pointed out all day really decided throwdown. >> this is president andrew shepherd coming through in the east room of the white house. this was president obama saying if nyou want to pick a fight, yu come after me, john mccain and lindsey graham. don't come after susan rice. it was dramatic. he is angry. they feel susan rice i
that there are protocols he kept saying that the fbi has for why they launch an investigation, why they would continue it and whether or not they share that information with the white house. i think that really pushes it into the realm of the investigation that continues, brian. >> andrea, there couldn't be more going on right now. there was talk of fiscal cliff. we have no cia director. benghazi's still around, the israelis took out the head of hamas today. then john mccain said if the...
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>> well, that's a good question, especially on the fbi side because fbi agents are shocked that it appears that politics has entered into fbi decisions on the timing of the investigation. it just happened to end on the very day after the election, and during that time, during those months, petraeus was left in office and could have been compromised, could have been blackmailed, and so the administration was taking a risk that that might happen. that's one of the most serious aspects of this whole matter. >> guys, good to see you. thanks for being with us. >>> coming up, what's the president's real agenda when it comes to the so-called fiscal cliff? is he really hoping for resolution. >>> defending susan rice, the head of the congressional black caucus is labeling the ambassador's critics as racist and sexist and she's specifically calling out senator john mccain. we'll examine the latest use of the race ca card and the so-cald war on women. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? then i heard this news about a multivitamin study looking at long-term health benefits for men over 50. the one th
>> well, that's a good question, especially on the fbi side because fbi agents are shocked that it appears that politics has entered into fbi decisions on the timing of the investigation. it just happened to end on the very day after the election, and during that time, during those months, petraeus was left in office and could have been compromised, could have been blackmailed, and so the administration was taking a risk that that might happen. that's one of the most serious aspects of...
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and within two days we were able to get the fbi on the ground. i want to thank the tunisian government for making this person available to be interviewed by our lawenforcemr investigative team. it is not enough to write questions. you have to be on the ground to look people in the eye and too yearia came through and two days after the letter here we are. >> greta: and it is quite extraordinary because the investigation has been stuck and my hat goes off to you forgetting it down, for picking up the ball and running with it. but the president of the united states i suspect has just as much influence if not more than two u.s. senators so what is your explanation for the fact that you guys had to jump into this? >> my belief is that this administration is trying to run out the clocking when it comes to benghazi. this is a story that changes by the day. what do we know. we know that before the a i tack in april and june of this year the consulate was attacked twice. we know that the british withdrew their -- closed their consulate after the british a
and within two days we were able to get the fbi on the ground. i want to thank the tunisian government for making this person available to be interviewed by our lawenforcemr investigative team. it is not enough to write questions. you have to be on the ground to look people in the eye and too yearia came through and two days after the letter here we are. >> greta: and it is quite extraordinary because the investigation has been stuck and my hat goes off to you forgetting it down, for...
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>> well, you know, i was contacted by an individual in the fbi who i have never met, i didn't know. he offered information to me that gave me pause and a cause for alarm. i had no way to corroborate the information. and certainly, the information to me... gave rise to the possibility that there was a national security issues that perhaps our cia director was vulnerable. but i couldn't corroborate or substantiate the information that was given to me. we were about 10 days or a few weeks out before the election. and i didn't want to politicize it, i wanted to make sure that national security wasn't at risk. so i turned to the person and the entity that i felt best equipped to deal with that information, to get to the bottom of it. and this was the fbi director and his office, that we know has an obligation to make sure that our national security is the priority. and the fbi's also obligated to apprise congress if there is a need for or an ongoing investigation or if there is a national security risk at hand. and so that's why i did what i did. and we hope that all the facts are going
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by the fbi for his role in the case. specifically why he took concerns about this case to republican members of congress. house and senate panels are expected to meet again today with fbi and cia officials. they want to know whether national security was jeopardized and why congress didn't know about the investigation sooner. during a news conference on wednesday president obama praised david petraeus. >> general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great distinction in iraq, in afghanistan and as head of the cia. by his own assessment he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary a the director of the cia with respect to this personal matter that he's now dealing with, with his family and with his wife. and it's on that basis that he tendered his resignation and i accepted. >> they are looking into the handling of the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. tomorrow they will hear from david petraeus. susan mcginnis is in washington with more. >> reporter: this is something con
by the fbi for his role in the case. specifically why he took concerns about this case to republican members of congress. house and senate panels are expected to meet again today with fbi and cia officials. they want to know whether national security was jeopardized and why congress didn't know about the investigation sooner. during a news conference on wednesday president obama praised david petraeus. >> general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great...
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i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a real surprise in the president saying what we've heard from others on the cabinet, withholding judgment as the story i believe someone said t gets weirder by the day i think it was described. chuck? >> oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were addressing that question to pete. no worries. that's exactly the way it's funny this white house, they don't feel -- they feel it's a distraction. they don't feel it's getting in the way of their work yet. they're annoyed by it but they're not -- it's funny. it doesn't feel like it's a burden that's hanging over their head. that said, every day that they wake up, there's
i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a...
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fbi officer herself, right? >> i'm told that she actually applied, passed a polygraph and they were ready to offer her an appointment. >> she didn't take it because harvard called? >> i don't think it went too well at harvard. she could have been an agent. must have been surreal for her to be standing in her house with fbi agents searching her house and she was just a step away from becoming an agent. >> talk about fredrick humphries, the fbi agent who jill kelley contacted. what's his story? >> what's interesting is that, you know, this is the time where you're not liked in the bureau or the police department or whatever, this is when they start kicking, you know, when you're down already. and no one's kicking him. i mean they still speak pretty highly of him. he was in the terrorist task force himself. up in seattle. and he was the lead agent in the millennium bombing case. >> oh, yeah. >> did a great job. and he goes down to tampa, which is like winning the lottery because they like -- >> like a country club
fbi officer herself, right? >> i'm told that she actually applied, passed a polygraph and they were ready to offer her an appointment. >> she didn't take it because harvard called? >> i don't think it went too well at harvard. she could have been an agent. must have been surreal for her to be standing in her house with fbi agents searching her house and she was just a step away from becoming an agent. >> talk about fredrick humphries, the fbi agent who jill kelley...
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has been looking into multiple committees, having hearings on that but more importantly there's an n fbi investigation and a state investigation. they are looking very definitively into all aspects of this and that report should be coming out in december. could slip but that's it. >> jill, rice also said she looks forward to being able to have further dialogue with senator john mccain and others. does that indicate or set the ground work that she believes that the white house will be nominating her for that u.s. secretary of state job? >> reporter: that is a good question. the president has been praising quite a lot. he defended her saying if you want to go after somebody, talking to the republicans, go after me. she knows him well. she considers her a good candidate. she has a lot of experience. >> she is definitely in the running. nobody will know but secretary clinton says she will be leaving regardless at the end of this administration, beginning of next. >> i want to say happy thanksgiving to my son triston and my family and friends. thank you so my brother for the support. i couldn
has been looking into multiple committees, having hearings on that but more importantly there's an n fbi investigation and a state investigation. they are looking very definitively into all aspects of this and that report should be coming out in december. could slip but that's it. >> jill, rice also said she looks forward to being able to have further dialogue with senator john mccain and others. does that indicate or set the ground work that she believes that the white house will be...
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but i want to say that i have a lot of confidence generally in the fbi. and they have got a difficult job and so i'm going to wait and see to see if there's any -- >> should have known? do you think in hindsight -- [inaudible] >> well, i mean, chuck, what i'll say is, if, it is also possible that had we been told, then you would be sitting here asking a question why were you interfering in a criminal investigation? so, you know, i think it best right now for us to see how this whole process unfolded. with respect to the tax rates i just want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. if the republican counterparts or some democrats have a great idea for us to raise revenue, maintain progressivety, make sure the middle class isn't getting hit, reduces our deficit, encourages growth, i'm not going to just slam the door in their face. i want to hear, i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> what about a red line? >> look, i believe this is solveable. i think that fair-minded people can come to an agreement that does not cause the economy to go back into recession.
but i want to say that i have a lot of confidence generally in the fbi. and they have got a difficult job and so i'm going to wait and see to see if there's any -- >> should have known? do you think in hindsight -- [inaudible] >> well, i mean, chuck, what i'll say is, if, it is also possible that had we been told, then you would be sitting here asking a question why were you interfering in a criminal investigation? so, you know, i think it best right now for us to see how this whole...
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. >> he also knew he was under investigation by the fbi, speaking of general petraeus. that's the big question. >> then the president is saying i didn't know until two days after the election. >> i have to say this, that speculation is absolutely reckless and it has no fact base at all and it really is a disgrace to a man. >> haen days are, indeed, here again. ♪ >> after a hard-won re-election fight, it's been a high-stakes return to the business of governing for the president of the united states. today he hosted congressional leaders at the white house to begin working on what he called the urgent business of reaching an agreement on taxes and spending cuts by the end of next month. this afternoon the president greeted a diverse range of civic leaders at the white house and, of course, he's preparing for his impending tour of southeast asia which begins at the week end. so that's what's been going on at the white house. or is it? >> the president of the united states did not tell the american people the truth about the attacks that took four brave americans' lives.
. >> he also knew he was under investigation by the fbi, speaking of general petraeus. that's the big question. >> then the president is saying i didn't know until two days after the election. >> i have to say this, that speculation is absolutely reckless and it has no fact base at all and it really is a disgrace to a man. >> haen days are, indeed, here again. ♪ >> after a hard-won re-election fight, it's been a high-stakes return to the business of governing for...
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as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private? >> well, i believe that the standard has to be, does this have an impact on our national security? so far, we haven't seen anything that gives evidence of that. we have another balance that we have to strike, our founders had to do it, the beginning of our country, and we still do, except now with communication the way it is in a different way. and that's a balance between security and liberty. and so how do you make that balance? should congress and the president be informed of hearsay? i don't think so. what is triggered about informing the congress in any event, just talking about congress, does
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when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way all the way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on just the idea of harassing e-mails. if they were even that. fran townsend, appreciate it. suzanne kelly. >>> there is new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott, the florida couple caught up in the scandal. they started a cancer charity back in 2005, shortly after they moved to tampa, dissolved it a couple of years later and they are facing several lawsuits over money problems. drew griffin who is part of the cnn special investigation unit joins us with more on that what have you learned? >> another twisted part of the tale, anderson. public records show as jill kelley was entertaining top military brass in her backyard, she and her husband, dr. scott kelley, were battling a bank in court, because the bank claimed they weren't paying their mortgage. documents show the
when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way all the way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on just the idea of harassing e-mails. if they were even that. fran townsend, appreciate it. suzanne kelly. >>> there is new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott,...
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it will allow the fbi much sooner from the 24 day days it will eventually take. nation nag security advisor tommy dieter says the most senior people in government worked on the issue the minute it happened that includes the secretary of defense chairman of the joint chief secretary of state national security advisor et cetera the deputies committee the second in command at the relevant national security agencies met at least once and more often twice a day to manage the issues. republican senator john mccain says when you add all of the evidence up the administration must have known all along this 9-11 attack was not spontaneous. >> this was a classic scandal where almost every day or every few days the shoe drops. i think it could be bad as watergate. one of the veterans said yes but nobody died in watergate. they have a point. >> jay carney said yesterday the president is anticipating the result of an fbi investigation. >>> peter doocy, thank you so much. more on that through out the morning. >>> the big story this morning people up and down the east coast surv
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the fbi has its own protocol in terms of how they proceed. i am going to let director -- director mueller make those calls. general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great distinction in iraq, afghanistan, and as the head of the cia. by his own assessment, he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary as the director of the cia with respect to this personal matter that he is not dealing with with his family and with his wife. it is on that basis that he tendered his resignation and is on that basis that i accepted it. i would like to emphasize that from my perspective, at least, he has provided this country and extraordinary service. we are safer because of the work that mr. petraeus has done. my main hope right now is that he and his family are able to move on. and i hope that this ends up being a single side note on what has otherwise been an extraordinary career. you know, again, i think you will have to talk to the fbi in terms of what their general protocols are when it comes to what started of
the fbi has its own protocol in terms of how they proceed. i am going to let director -- director mueller make those calls. general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great distinction in iraq, afghanistan, and as the head of the cia. by his own assessment, he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary as the director of the cia with respect to this personal matter that he is not dealing with with his family and with his wife. it is on that basis that...
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but it's a specific problem for bob muller, head of the fbi, how do you, as head of the fbi, explain that you have these letters, drafted -- and found by the way, among many documents that we believe to be authentic, a copy of the new yorker magazine, addressed to ambassador stevens and expense reports and others things that suggest they weren't forged do you means to make the administration look bad. how do you explain missing evidence? this tells part of the story. if you have a back story that suggests that the police, car 322 was doing surveillance on the compound, two days before this attack, and then you have shawn smith in his last messages that he typed to his gaming message board saying, we are under watch by the police. this is important evidence. it is sit the on the ground of the consulate. it is unbelievable. >> greta: rick, the senator roberts said that the military have asked him about it, veterans. but i don't see -- i mean, i don't see a lot of people talking about it. will this have no impact on the vote in some impact? >> last time i talked about this, i got ripped
but it's a specific problem for bob muller, head of the fbi, how do you, as head of the fbi, explain that you have these letters, drafted -- and found by the way, among many documents that we believe to be authentic, a copy of the new yorker magazine, addressed to ambassador stevens and expense reports and others things that suggest they weren't forged do you means to make the administration look bad. how do you explain missing evidence? this tells part of the story. if you have a back story...
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was the fbi correct in not informing him. he did on a very different note make some very generous comments to mitt romney, his former presidential rival. listen to this. >> i think everybody needs to catch their breath. i'm sure governor romney is spending some time with his family. and my hope is before the end of the year, though, we have a chance to sit down and talk. there are certain aspects of governor romney's record and his ideas that i think could be very helpful. and, well, to give you one example, i do think he did a terrific job running the olympics. >> then he went on to say there were several other excellent ideas that mitt romney raised during the campaign, worthy of explor exploring, wants to sit down and talk to him. gloria, i thought that was nice of the president to make those comments. don't know how mitt romney will respond, but i assume he's the president of the united states, he was re-elected, romney being a great american as he is will say, i would be happy to do whatever you would like me to do. >> i
was the fbi correct in not informing him. he did on a very different note make some very generous comments to mitt romney, his former presidential rival. listen to this. >> i think everybody needs to catch their breath. i'm sure governor romney is spending some time with his family. and my hope is before the end of the year, though, we have a chance to sit down and talk. there are certain aspects of governor romney's record and his ideas that i think could be very helpful. and, well, to...
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number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information, unless they believe there is a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the appropriate moment. >> representative, do you agree with that? especially given that it was om this week that the fbi went to ms. broadwell's home, and removed boxes of information, some of which is classified? >> no, i would totally disagree. general petraeus was the head of the cia. he wasn't running the fish and wildlife department. there is a duty under the law to inform the ranking and chairman of house and senate intelligence. that is to deal with every investigation. and with national security be compromised? perhaps it would. i think that should go to the level of the preside
number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information, unless they believe there is a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the appropriate moment. >>...
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for the first time we're learning why she says she felt the need to approach the fbi and ask them to investigate the communications she was receiving. jill kelley of tampa, florida, is now a big part of the story involving several big names. tonight, she is clearly attempting to clear her own. we begin here tonight in the studio with nbc's andrea mitchell, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian, tonight, new details emerged on how the anonymous e-mails that paula broadwell sent to a tampa woman, who knew two four-star generals, david petraeus, and john allen, set off a chain of events, even as the president spoke for the first time about the scandal at his news conference, the president went out of his way to praise petraeus. >> he has provided this country an extraordinary service. we are safer because of the work that david petraeus has done. >> reporter: as paula broadwell remained in washington and staying with her brother and still not talking, officials say the investigation was triggered in may, when general john allen received an e-mail called "kelley patrol." sources
for the first time we're learning why she says she felt the need to approach the fbi and ask them to investigate the communications she was receiving. jill kelley of tampa, florida, is now a big part of the story involving several big names. tonight, she is clearly attempting to clear her own. we begin here tonight in the studio with nbc's andrea mitchell, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian, tonight, new details emerged on how the anonymous e-mails that paula broadwell sent to...
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it's got generals and wives with wandering eyes and a weirdly obsessed fbi agent. we'll call it, i don't know, dogs of war on the spy who loved me or the dirty dozen or body heat or the year of living dangerously or the love pentagon or how paula got her groove back. something. we'll figure it out. but you get steve buscemi to play general petraeus. he's got the look and this way of giving you a deep inner sliminess. the paula broadwell role is so juicy. you know who has to win, angie jolie. the sex appeal, the toughness. can't you see the scenes of her and the general running through the mountains of afghanistan during which they find a cave and do some cardio. back at home we see the wife, holly petraeus, played by kathy bates. we get bruce willis to play general allen because his entrance makes the story even more bizarre. and to play jill kelley, the hot wife who unnerved the tough broadwell and made an fbi agent go mad and called the fbi launching the whole investigation i would would point back to her, we get, yep, kim kardashian. so what if she can't act. no
it's got generals and wives with wandering eyes and a weirdly obsessed fbi agent. we'll call it, i don't know, dogs of war on the spy who loved me or the dirty dozen or body heat or the year of living dangerously or the love pentagon or how paula got her groove back. something. we'll figure it out. but you get steve buscemi to play general petraeus. he's got the look and this way of giving you a deep inner sliminess. the paula broadwell role is so juicy. you know who has to win, angie jolie....
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there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal indiscretion, or do you report it up the change of command? that's the question that is going to be raised. >> of course, i think the larger question, though, still remains, the investigation regarding benghazi. this was ongoing before this scandal and if this affair was revealed, you have general petraeus making a trip to libya two weeks before all of this was revealed. how can there be a hearing and he not participate in this hearing, andrea? >> well, i think what senator feinstein has come to conclude is he has to participate. perhaps not at this
there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal...
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questions about benghazi, questions about the petraeus thing, how did the fbi, is the president pleased with, seems there's a little pattern here of it seems to take a while for certain information to get to the white house a little bit, how -- what is his reaction to that. so this is his first comments that we're going to hear since the whole david petraeus mess exploded. so obviously that's going to be some of the news. i can tell you the white house folks are not happy that half the press conference will not be about fiscal cliff since that is what is front and center, all these deadlines facing them. the irony is, be andrea, had they done the post-election press conference when traditionally held back in bush and clinton a couple days after the election, there wouldn't have been a question about david petraeus. >> if he had not -- if he held it in chicago the morning after traditionally when this is done. >> or even thursday. >> or even thursday u.s. exactly. >> although by thursday his national security team knew and was about to inform him about the petraeus possible resignation.
questions about benghazi, questions about the petraeus thing, how did the fbi, is the president pleased with, seems there's a little pattern here of it seems to take a while for certain information to get to the white house a little bit, how -- what is his reaction to that. so this is his first comments that we're going to hear since the whole david petraeus mess exploded. so obviously that's going to be some of the news. i can tell you the white house folks are not happy that half the press...
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remember, it's going to be a bit tricky because it is still classified and it is still part of the ongoing fbi investigation. but i think that is the feeling within the intelligence community that at least if they can get the public to see part of this, too, they are going to understand just how sort of chaotic and difficult it was to figure out very quickly certainly within 24 hours what exactly had happened. so they were, you know, their initial information on this according to sources of mine was coming in from people who were on the ground, who were interviewed right away, some media accounts, all of those different threads coming together as barbara mentioned. but the video really apparently isn't of great quality. some hits in it, a very grainy image, so it's difficult to say exactly what they can tell from it. >> it will be riveting tomorrow when general petraeus gives his evidence. he was the boss of the cia when this all kicked off and although he's been embroiled in this scandal, many will say what he says tomorrow and the outcome of this inquiry is going to be a lot more important t
remember, it's going to be a bit tricky because it is still classified and it is still part of the ongoing fbi investigation. but i think that is the feeling within the intelligence community that at least if they can get the public to see part of this, too, they are going to understand just how sort of chaotic and difficult it was to figure out very quickly certainly within 24 hours what exactly had happened. so they were, you know, their initial information on this according to sources of...